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Jerry "JD" Dorsey

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You know, at one time, there was this site when you could go to a fishing report, and get the real deal.  Maybe a little information of...a location...where fish were holding....got a bunch...some sort of information for, where week enders, maybe anyone could go to catch some fish, stripers from those on the lake a lot...guides, those who live and fish on the lake a lot.......and then became just another spot to BS.......talk about... but.....now look at the subjects....no wonder it is just a spot to kill time looking for a clue.....grab, or a thing for those who know nothing, to get a little  head start....can we ever recover after the original six old geezers, and its many followers, jumped in to add a hint, or information about fishing on Lake Texoma....Where are Lyles, Sparkey, Allen, and on and on....those who fish very often, but fail to give us their expert advise, reports, and tell eveyone here... How Wonderful this Lake is!   Where are the Soldier Creek guides....Buncombe Creek guides, Alberta Creek, the marina with some of the finest......Jon Hoppis, etc...... geeze I could go on and on.... You guys already made it w/o SOG?  What an opportunity.   Not to prosper, but to add....what you see, what you think.....and I wont embarrass anyone with mentioning their names.....I know you look on here.... And you..."No Sweat"... Britt McKinney, elder of one of the best...Mike....help...all you graspers for info.. contribute.....this lake with all its beauty, and wonder, is beyound the 8th wonder of the world.....kick in before, before you "kick over".    Mike Beason, Diamond Dave....come on.....We would lose a lot of valuable information when those mentioned and those not mentoned are gone.... I am mentioning all this, as I am probably ages before you.....but I love this lake..... and know you do too!003 (21).JPG 

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Great post sir. This is my second season to striper fish this beautiful lake. I've made it my goal to learn everything I can about the lake and the fish that live here. I've learned a lot from a certain lure maker on here and had the pleasure to fish with him a number of times. I don't fish the big pond everyday or every week like some but try to get a few days each month. I don't have to catch limits to make me happy but I do enjoy bringing a few home for the table. Yes there are guides and other folks that have many years of valuable knowledge to pass along. I realize the guides make a living on this lake, pay the bills and feed there families. I understand they want to protect there honey holes and techniques to be successful. People pay good money to catch fish, if they don't produce fish they don't get any business. You are correct, most of us are just weekenders or a few time a year. I'm certainly no threat or competition to the guides or the folks that fish everyday. It would be nice to get a little valuable information on locations and what there biting on from the experts. I agree with you, it would be ashame for all that experience and knowledge to be lost and not shared when there gone. In the end, we all just want to have fun and catch a few fish. Tex is a beautiful place to be and fish. I'll keep fishing, learning as I go, and appreciate the knowledge anyone is willing to pass along to me. Hope everyone has a great summer of fishing. [smile]
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I can't tell you how much I appreciate this post JD. I know you meet hundreds of folks every year but the impression you made on my wife and I the first time we met created a memory for a lifetime for one of our family members. You shared with me one of your "weapons" to catch the big ones and I made the investment purchasing a couple online. The first time I tied one on within 15 minutes, my brother-in-law from Idaho was with us and he landed his first ever striper. 27" around 9lbs. Obviously not a wallhanger but the biggest fish he had ever caught. We landed five more that day, none bigger than the first but you could not have slapped the smile off his face for the remainder of his time he was here visiting. Thank you sir for your willingness to share your experiences and advice with us rookies.
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cant catch em from the house , got to get on the water , slabs today , mac creek , all small , very small fish , but they fry good ! 
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No disrespect but Don't go bashing everyone else JD.  I've emailed you asking for pointers and even offering to clean fish for you & work for free in return for a little knowledge. And I got no response.  I read a nice article you wrote about you wanting to share your knowledge and help others learn about this lake while you were still able.  This was before I found SOG and started hanging out here a little. But I thought if you were sincere you would have at least responded with something.  But you didn't respond at all.

I do appreciate yours and everyone else's sharing of knowledge here on SOG.  I really do.  I'm in the beginning stages of trying to re-learn about this lake and how to fish it successfully. I also recently found TFF which I don't like that much because its so big and jerk offs hi-jack all the threads. But TFF is where I was referred to SOG.  So I'm here and trying to learn.  I read everything you and the others write trying to gain valuable knowledge about our lake and how to go about things.  I do agree it would be great if the other experts would stop in from time to time and share some things.  I find it hard to believe there isn't a texoma site where more guides and experts are the featured product.  It would only help their business.  Most of their clients don't have boats any way.

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cant catch em from the house , got to get on the water , slabs today , mac creek , all small , very small fish , but they fry good ! 
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Not defending anybody named, but! I remember several used to post specifics. When they would get to their spot the next morning, it would be covered up with other guides and weekenders. Cant much blame them. appreciate your efforts JDD thx. I also understand the others reluctance.
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As a long time fisherman I cannot imagine any guide or fisherman for that matter revealing a specific location where they are catching fish to the general public. We spend a lot of time locating these areas. To me, finding a good spot is part of the challenge of fishing. The guides depend on their spots for their living and we as casual fishermen should respect their reluctance to divulge them.
I learn a lot from SOG about techniques and where in general the fish are on the lake. This helps me to narrow down my search which is a great time saver. I have never been on a forum that shares as much information as SOG.

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J.D. I think we all know what happened to the guys that you mentioned. Just go back a few years when every time J.D. Lyle put up a post he was slammed for one reason or another or when James Allen would share all of that great information and 100 boats would be on his spot the next morning. And how about you that got it for keeping big fish? Those are just some of the reasons that we don't see the info that we once did.If you are  a new striper fishing addict congratulation's. If you want to learn more Hire one of the many great guides that this lake has and ask a lot of questions and take notes. These guys make there living fishing not giving free information but if you are good to them they will share info when you call or text them and James Allen will even let you go out and catch bait with him for free. This site was made great by six guys   that fished often and put up good reports not by guides that do it for a living that owe the people on here nothing. I understand that a lot of people don't have the time or funds to learn the lake or to keep up with the ever changing striper patterns but I don't think it is any guides responsibility to keep them informed    
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This topic has been discussed before. I agree I wish more folks would post info and techniques that we could learn from. NOT SPECIFIC LOCATIONS.  I have found that if the magic wand is catching fish in 20 ft. off points on flukes on the west end, I can use that info and many times duplicate it on the north end.  I remember learning a lot from Mark Macs posts on using jigs and roadrunners. Wish I still had some of them saved.  I try to post when I go even if I don't do too hot (which is all too often) but I hope it helps someone.  If you can't get to the lake very often, hire a guide and use their expertise. I am lucky enough to be able to fish texoma fairly often so I love it when someone posts about how they were rigiging, kinda of baits, techiques and so on. There's guys that can really help a lot of us learn more about striper fishing. Seems to me to be the purpose of a fishing forum.
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I wasnt trying to hurt anybodys feelings or give away any top secret information , thats just what worked yesterday , slabs , mac creek , small fish , and you have to get out of the house to catch them , I never have caught a fish setting in front of the tv.   That might work today , or it might not , I dont know , Im not there right now.  before 97 I had a couple of junkie boats , fished up there maybe twice a year , got a new boat in 97 , me and my two little boys ( at the time little ) ( now they grown ) fished up there two weekends a month , and a week during the summer , thats was our vacation , going to the lake for a week. We would see a lot of guides on the boat ramps , some were really good pointing us the right direction , some would not acknowledge your existence on this earth.  Thats just people , people are odd. People dont always respond the way we expect. Anyhow , me and my boys wore out that 97 model boat , best way I can think of to raise kids , fish , and fish often.  Got a new boat in 2010 , its a fine boat , love it , and my boys are working , have families , but still make time to fish with dear ole dad , and , when it comes down to it , thats all that is really important , never was about the fish , the fish was just an excuses to spend a lot of good quality time together.  But anyhow , I guess I found Ron;s site in 99 or so , gained tons of information from it , a lot of it was in code , but still got tons of useful info.  Loved reading what ever Ron wrote , loved the codes on the VHF radio , loved visiting with Ron , Loved the slabs he made , loved the top water baits he made , loved meeting him at his house or at the boat dock to buy slabs , just a stand up guy in my book. I miss him , get a little teary just writing this.  Anyhow , I dont mind doing my part to help people learn the lake , some folks love the way I fish , some hate it , thats just people , like I said people are odd . We mainly fish for strippers like if they were black bass , I grew up on black bass , maybe that has something to do with how I fish. I dont sit still real good , so I lure fish , and , I know , I might catch more fish quicker on bait ,  but I just aint got what it takes to bait fish , slabs and top water lures make my heart beat !  All this being said , if you are new to the lake , and need help , finding it hard to figure out , if you want to follow me around thats fine , love to help you , love to pass on what little I know , get some slabs , I think you know what slab to get , if you dont PM  me , get some chug bugs , get some sassy shads , get some thundersticks , get captain mac rigs , get my phone number , follow me around the lake , we might catch a boat full ! or we might not never get a bite , I have seen it go both ways. Now , if you want to learn catching shad , bait fishing , Im not your man . I just cant sit still.
Wish I could be at the lake more , sometimes I go , come home and go right back , sometimes its a week or two before I make it up there , my trips depend on weather , wind , cold , heat , when the boys can go , and I still work a little bit , not as much as I use to , but Im working a little , I was up there last week , had to come home sunday , so I could work monday , and went back to the lake tuesday , go figure , people are odd.  Today is a catch up the house day , and pizza day , got to head out the door to meet my boy for pizza. If you have young kids , get a boat , go to the lake often , you will have fine young gentlemen in your life during your golden years.
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Willy, I don't get to fish Texoma as much as I used to but if you ever get to Tawakoni, give me a shout, I will help you all I can here.
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I don't think you hurt anyone's feelings willy. Your right, you can't catch'em or learn anything without time on the water. My understanding when I joined this form was to give enough information in your report so folks could go out and maybe catch a fish or two. I sure don't mind sharing information that will help other be successful. Seems like to me their is plenty of fish to go around.[smile]
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I don't think you hurt anyone's feelings willy. Your right, you can't catch'em or learn anything without time on the water. My understanding when I joined this form was to give enough information in your report so folks could go out and maybe catch a fish or two. I sure don't mind sharing information that will help other be successful. Seems like to me their is plenty of fish to go around.[smile]

Amen.  You don't have to give out GPS coordinates to help a fellow angler.  Most of us trying to learn are more interested in how to rig, hot lures, presentations, seasonal patterns, etc rather than exact locations.  This type of info wouldn't cost anyone a dime and its tremendously valuable to the angler who knows some basics and wants to do it on their own.  I would never want to get in the way of a guide trying to make a living.  I get that. And I respect that 100%.   But some of us would rather go 10 trips without a bite and try on our own than to hire a guide, show up, get in a boat, go out for two hours and catch 50 fish, watch him clean them and bag them, then go home.  That's fun no doubt.  But some of us just want to do it on our own and go through the journey.  The more knowledge we can gain before we go out only shortens the learning curve and less frustrating.

I fully respect the pro's decision not to give out any info. But they could give out what most of us are looking for without costing themselves any money or giving up their honey holes.

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Have really struggled with posting on this or not. I've been at Texoma 34 years now. It has been my experience that at least half of the guides at the marina act pissed off if you ask 'did you have a good day'? I have never asked a guide where he fished, what he used, etc. Just trying to be pleasant. The guides I'm referring to act as if they divulged that they caught fish in 20-30 feet of water on sassy shad that when they went out the next morning all the fish would be gone. I must also add the others are pleasant and will honestly say 'great day, OK, sucked.' For the 50% I referenced first, get over it. Being a striper guide on Texoma does not make you a god.
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The average fellow fisherman does not mind sharing, but don't expect a magician to tell you how he did it. Maybe one of the guys will write a book someday. 
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Ha!, Glad I'm not the only one who mostly uses slabs and topwater lures.
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I'll agree that most of the guides are probably good guys, but some need a lesson in manners. While out on my kayak, i've had guides buzz me and laugh. I've also heard more than one talking to their clients as they go by refer to me as a "speed bump". I'm sure these same guides would be raising hell if they were fishing and a power boat came flying by them within 20-30 yards causing a huge wake that rocks their boat so hard they couldn't stand up. These guys need to realize a wake big enough to rock their boat is big enough to overturn a kayak and put someone's life at risk.
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last week had a pleasure boat  do circles around me for half an hour ,  he was alone in the boat , just doing circles ,  maybe he watched too many episodes of Whale Wars  
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there are a lot of inconsiderate jugheads that own a boat 
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(Bait has been tough. Fish have been caught from North Island to Soldier Creek. 40 to 62ft of water)

Here you go a post from Sparky's Guide Service. This is what you guys are asking for but tell me how this helps you? I am in no way slamming sparky he is telling what he is doing and he is a very good guide and little Dave that runs one of his boats is one of the best. He knows as much about fishing structure for striper as anyone on this lake and that is the kind of information you guys want not that fish are being caught on bait in the middle of the lake. There are a bunch of guys on this lake that fill there tanks full of shad and go anchor up catch a limit of fish and go to the dock. These guys are not guides. They struggle in hot summer when the fish wont hit a shad and you have to have a lure moving horizontal through the water column. The guys that cuss people down rigging and tell there customers that the reason they are not catching fish is because people are down rigging or trolling with in eye shot of them are the ones that cant catch fish in tough conditions. Last summer I witnessed Shawn Morales out of Catfish Bay catching fish on top water off of some rocks within 100 yards of a boat show he was kinda hidden from everyone and catching the hell out of fish. He is a GUIDE the kind of guy you can learn from. These fish were not surfacing but he knew they were there  Does he fish the middle of the lake with shad? Of course he does but he also changes tactics and catches fish day in and day out because he is a true guide. And there are others but not as many as you think and most of the reports that you get on here are not going to help you.If you want to learn about the owl learn about the mouse. Learn all you can about shad where they are what they are doing and why. Learn how striper relate to structure and they do especially BIG striper. Pay attention at the docks look at the lures the guys that catch fish have tied on(I always cut mine off before I go in) There are lures and lure colors that have caught fish on this lake for years that you are not going to learn about on this forum. Pay attention ask questions and do what it takes to make friends with the 15-20 guides on this lake that have the ability to help you and stop expecting someone to jump on here and tell you what it takes for you to sling meat over your boat tomorrow morning.     
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Its called networking "iknow".  Sounds like you do your share of it.  Just a different way.  I for one enjoy all the different perspectives and reports....even from the rookies.  I enjoy reading what each guy did to "sling meat over their boats"...or how they didn't get a bite and their journey they took.  I may or may not agree with it or use it but I do enjoy reading about it all.

No one is looking for someone to hold their hand.  Just looking for some tips to learn from and maybe help make us more successful.  Nothing wrong with that.  Some like to help, others don't.  Sparky's tip is only that.  A TIP!  If anything it gives the amateur a general area and depth to target when he pulls off from that ramp and looks at this huge lake and thinks to himself, "now what do I do?"

Your post is full of great tips btw.  And great perspective on what it takes to be consistently successful. 

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russcat here are a few tips:

Lets just start now the month of May: Fish are transitioning especially the bigger fish they have been up the river and are coming back tired and hungry. I would start on some rocky points throwing top waters the shad should be spawning on the rocks any day now they have been a little but it is still ramping up look for birds standing in the water eating. If you see this fish there. Birds standing on the bank not so much sometimes like us they are just looking and wishing. We are still talking about points north and west.closer to the mouth of the river than the main lake. After the sun is up and the shad move so do the stripers follow them both to deeper water (ledges, drop offs channel bends deep stumps)The fish are a little harder to get with lures now and bait is your friend this time of year. In a couple of weeks I would start checking deep water on the south end of the lake the fish will be deep and again shad will out catch lures. after a few weeks of this the fish will start there summer runs BIG schools and boat shows. From the dam to the intake is no secrete in late June through July neither is Washita point to Alberta Creek. Now you have your choice bait works slabbing works, casting sassy shad works, Trolling works  and usually some good top water. Typically this time of year fishing is easy look in these places and in-between for boat shows. As it gets hotter and into August and September the Striper start getting stressed lots of little fish caught this time of year and again you are typically back to bait being top producers Two rivers,Caney,Mac Creek are some good places to look.
October the birds are back and water is cooling down and the fish start to move and feed well in big schools. They can be found all over the lake but they are moving North and West and casting a sassy is good this time of year. After Thanksgiving it is all about Dead Sticking and slow rolling sassy shad and/or A rigs. Your best bet is to stay North or West but there are still some good schools to found mid lake. The wind is your friend in the winter. Learn how to control your drift speed and use a splasher prop or thump the bottom of the boat and the fish will stay with you. Winter is a great time of year to fish and there are ALOT of big fish caught in the winter. Chris Carey,John Hoppis,Little Dave,Shawn Morales,and even a new young kid out of Lille Glasses all know how to put in on the fish in the winter and I am sure one of these guys would give some pointers (this is some of what I was referring to earlier. Shad don't work well this time of year and if that is all you know you will struggle)
As the water starts to warm in March it is time to start Trolling Thunder Sticks and Sassy Shad you can cast but it is not as productive this time of year still in the North or West ends. Look in the 25ft range but really could be any depth.

I am sure someone on here will call B.S. on everything I just shared but this is my quick over view for a new guy wanting to learn and from years of keeping good fishing logs.Please keep in mind that this is a quick over view and there are many nuance's.

And no it is not networking some of  the guys I referred to I have never spoken to but I do PAY ATTENTION.

I hope this will help you and if you ever want more specific info P.M. me    
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Man that's awesome stuff right there.  Thanks for taking the time to share what took you years to learn.  That's some great info.  Thanks.
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First off my family has been fishing Texoma for something like two decades, not for long periods at a time but whenever we can manage it in our travels. Spring, Fall, winters, few summers.

In all that time the rudest most inconsiderate people we have encountered are guides.

Take this morning for example, I noticed birds working the mouth of Buncombe and was the first boat on them, no other boats in sight. Moved over and made a cast - Bam - fish on. Told my wife - get your rod out and cast quickly because you might get to catch ONE fish before the guide boats come in.

She was too slow, out of nowhere six guide boats arrived full speed into the fish leaving our small boat pitching in the wakes.

As we watched it ended up with 10 boats around us, 8 guides gunning and running and one other peon trying for a couple of fish.

BTW The last two days the birds have been working the mouth of Buncombe about 9:30 or 10:00.
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I Know is very good, and is right. Thank you for laying it all out.
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Well sure got some response on this subject......I am sorry if someone does not think I share information, or reply when they want to help me and learn something.  I do my best in the matter, or would not have been on this site to start with.   Not sure what else I could share, but I can tell you if I did not reply to someones request, it probably because I was busy.  I can tell you one thing, I will help all I can, but do not want someone with me cleaning fish or other work for information.  Take the information I give, I think its ample....and try to figure out the rest with the information given.   I work mainly alone in the guide business, and do not get any information from other guides, rather go out on my own and find what I can on my own.   The fish are not all in one spot, take the information given, and find your own fish, that information is personal with guides.   I have shown people lots of spots, just to find they beat me to it the next morning.   I give pointer, not points.   Sorry if I offended anyone, but so be it..... good fishing.....JDD
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